Race Dates for HistoriX and TCL

[Mr Fox]

Due to the CTD problem with TCL im going to delay the start of the TCL season until a fix is released. Here is the basic dates for the upcoming season's of Historic and Atcc.

15/4/09 Philip Island
19/4/09 Enduro hotswap ~ 67@67 TC65's
22/4/09 state of origin ~ Abarth Norisring 2008 (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail...risring%202008)
29/4/09 state of origin ~ Abarth Knockhill 07 (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Knockhill07)
6/5/09 state of origin ~ Abarth AF - RF1 (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=AF%2DRF1)
13/5/09 state of origin ~ Abarth Chatham (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Chatham%20)

Break****************************

27/5/09 TCL ATCC Round 1 Amaroo Park
3/6/09 Historic 76's Round 1 Spa (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Spa%20Francorchamps%201988)
10/6/09 TCL ATCC Round 2 Symmons Plains Raceway
17/6/09 Hisroric 76's Round 2 Fuji (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Fuji%20Speedway%20Katsuo)
24/6/09 TCL ATCC Round 3 Lakeside International Raceway
1/7/09 Historic 76's Round 3 Vallelunga (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Vallelunga)

Break****************************

15/7/09 TCL ATCC Round 4 Barbagallo Raceway
22/7/09 Historic 76's Round 4 A1Ring (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=A1-Ring)
29/7/09 TCL ATCC Round 5 Mallala Motor Sport Park
5/8/09 Historic 76's Round 5 Rouen-Les-Essarts (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Rouen-Les-Essarts)
12/8/09 TCL ATCC Round 6 Sandown International Raceway*
19/8/09 Historic 76's Round 6 Crystal Palace (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Crystal%20Palace)

Break****************************

2/9/09 TCL ATCC Round 7 Winton Motor Raceway
9/9/09 Historic 76's Round 7 Brazil (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Interlagos%20GP4)
16/9/09 TCL ATCC Round 8 Oran Park Raceway
23/9/09 Historic 76's Round 8 Mosport (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Mosport)
30/9/09 TCL ATCC Round 9 Mount Panorama Circuit*
7/10/09 Historic 76's Round 9 Montreal (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Montreal%202008)
14/10/09 TCL ATCC Round 10 1989 Australian Grand Prix**

*1 hour race
** F1 Support race

Sign up for ATCC Here (http://www.xgn.com.au/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=1992)

[sco_aus]

Thanks for your hard work Glen.

[Mr Fox]

Thanks for your hard work Glen.

No need to mention mate its a hobby for me just as much it is for you. Congrats on popping the Big Q aswell. Well done welcome to a new chapter in your life. That TV show "Everybody Loves Raymond" will have a whole new meaning to you now :)

[redwog]

What is the event on the 15/4? I might of missed something - are we going to Bathurst back-to-back?

Thanks for the schedule mate; very exciting stuff to look forward to - and aren't we are so lucky to have all those Aussie tracks.

[gawaterman]

Think that should be Philip Island

[Wally]

Thanks for your hard work Glen.
Yeah, ditto from me Glen. It doesn't all happen by itself and your work is appreciated :)

[Imperious]

Thanks for the hard work Glen,

btw, with respect to the '76 Historix season, I hope the tracks we are going
to be racing on are fast tracks, like Spa, as an example, these cars will suit high speed, fast flowing tracks.

Aside from the TCL League, it would be good to do some of the F1 tracks, like Montreal, Brazil, Fuji. Spa, Indianapolis, etc.
If the tracks have already been decided, so be it, but small tight twisty tracks will not be much fun in cars like the Pantera.
Just my 2c

OK, I'll put some ideas up

1. Montreal 2008 http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Montreal%202008
2. Rouen-Les-Essarts http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Rouen-Les-Essarts
3. Fuji http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Fuji%20Speedway%20Katsuo
4. Crystal Palace http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Crystal%20Palace
5. Malaysia http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Sepang%20GP4
6. Brazil Interlagos http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Interlagos%20GP4
7. Indianapolis http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Indianapolis
8. Suzuka Japan http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Suzuka%20GP4
9. Vallelunga http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Vallelunga
10. Spa 1988 http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Spa%20Francorchamps%201988
11. Austria A1-Ring http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=A1-Ring
12. Bullrun http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=The%20BullRun
13. Mosport http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Mosport
14. Osterreichring http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Osterreichring%20GP79

Some of these were done in GTL, and were awesome tracks for the '76 cars

[J Alesi]

Thanks for all your hard work Glen:bounce:

[gawaterman]

I,d love to do a round in these cars on Road One International, a fantasy track, I know , but fast sweeping bends,elevation changes, wide enough to make passing easier, and great atmosphere, and just a great track to drive, especially in a Pantera,GT40 etc
http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Road%20One%20International

Edit:Went to try the GT40 and can't find it. Is there one in Historic X?. The Pantera and ferrari were good fun though.

[Imperious]

I've been thinking that a good way to get a diverse field of cars on the track might be to force everyone to drive at least a few different cars over a season, similar to the old car rental system once used, but without the handicap $$$ system and also without software programming required.
I've noticed watching some league replays on Youtube that they often have 5 or 6 different cars in a race.

What are we doing S4 car choice anyway??

[gawaterman]

Yeh, I remember doing that in the GTL League, great idea

[Mr Fox]

Intially i thought just let peeps choose what they want, then i thought maybe 1 car for the season, and now im thinking you should drive 1 different make each round.

Thoughts?

[Wally]

I think a diverse field of cars is a lot more fun, especially if they all have their own strengths and weaknesses on different parts of the track, and will mix up the results a bit. The only downside in my book is that it takes more time to pick a car for the track, get used to a car, tweak the setup etc. Some people might see that as a good thing :)

There are probably a few total crap cars that should be excluded off the list to save everyone a whole lot of pain.

[Patrini]

Definitely keen on the diff car/round idea.

To really mix it up could be a lottery to see what you get to drive rather allowing choice.

And small correction to Wally's previous post

'There are probably a few total crap cars that should be excluded off the list to save everyone a whole lot of pain. '

Should read
'There are probably a few total crap cars that should be confined to 'RPO's' etc use to save everyone a whole lot of pain. '

[yokelhama]

We're talking about the HistorX cars right? If so I'm keen if we allow different cars for each track, but would prefer if you let us decide what car we want to use each week. Some people may wish to stick with the same car each race as they don't have the time to learn a new car/track combo during the week. Plus it might mean a more mixed grid too :bounce:

Either way I'm easy :) Do we have a list of what cars we're gonna use?

Found some neat photos, has lots of HistorX cars @ Nurburgring - http://www.flickr.com/photos/mustang_v8/

[gawaterman]

Thinking back I reckon it was you could pick any car you wanted , but you were only allowed to race the same car 2 or 3 times in the season. That put a bit of strategy into it, which car for which track, what cars were the opposition running, do I use the best car when RPO is using it too, or save it for later when hes in a lesser one, etc

PS: We could do the same in the TCL too? or maybe that might be a bit much learning new cars

[BJSRacer]

i'll have to take the Merc for every round except Bathurst............that would be reserved for Sierra :D

[Mr Fox]

OK this is for historX S4, so as i see it can we make a list of cars in the 76 class, please tell me if i miss any


Escort
Capri Mad version
Capri Girly version
Corvette Big Block
Corvette Small Block
Ferrari
Pantera
BMW CSL
Porsche RSP
Porsche 914

My way of thinking would be you must race one of these cars once through out S4, So 9 rounds = 9 different cars? or.......

We could try something slightly different but still lots of fun and it could almost keep the field even. So follow this if you can.

If your running in the top 5 of the championship you must remain in that car and if your out of the top 5 you can change and run which ever car you like?

So everyone has free choice for round one, then the top 5 must remain in that make of car while everyone else can change cars if they choose? Once you drop out of the top5 of the championship you can then choose which ever car you like. Any takers?

And....Happy Birthday Matt:Banane31:

[yokelhama]

Um I think The Porsche RSR should be there too? Very interesting idea about the Top 5 tho, I'm looking forward to what the fast guys are gonna say.

[gawaterman]

So everyone has free choice for round one, then the top 5 must remain in that make of car while everyone else can change cars if they choose? Once you drop out of the top5 of the championship you can then choose which ever car you like. Any takers?


But surely then everyone will pick the Pantera/GT40 for the first round and then be stuck with it. Is that a real handicap?

Also isnt there a Porsche 906 in there somewhere?

[Mr Fox]

But surely then everyone will pick the Pantera/GT40 for the first round and then be stuck with it. Is that a real handicap?


I think it is, dont think the Pantera is that great a car, sure its got straight line speed but i think the BMW/Escort would eat it up on a tighter circuit. But im sure it is something to consider grant. BTW i rate the Pantera much higher than the GT40 and i put the big block Vette above those 2. All these cars are going to suit our driving styles differently. Surely there would be one or 2 tracks where the pantera or any other big v8 cars wont shine which would even things up a little if the leaders are stuck in them.

[Imperious]

There is a porsche 914, no-one will want that, especially if
it is like the GTL version.

Also the GT40 is a GTC-65 Car, not a '76.

[Mr Fox]

There is a porsche 914, no-one will want that, especially if
it is like the GTL version.

Also the GT40 is a GTC-65 Car, not a '76.

lol thanks imp

[gawaterman]

I think it is, dont think the Pantera is that great a car, sure its got straight line speed but i think the BMW/Escort would eat it up on a tighter circuit. But im sure it is something to consider grant. BTW i rate the Pantera much higher than the GT40 and i put the big block Vette above those 2. All these cars are going to suit our driving styles differently. Surely there would be one or 2 tracks where the pantera or any other big v8 cars wont shine which would even things up a little if the leaders are stuck in them.

Just using those cars as an example, havent tried them yet to see whats best.
You could start Round 1 with everyone in the same slowest car and work your top 5 idea from there, but I could see some sand-bagging in Round 1

[Mr Fox]

Just using those cars as an example, havent tried them yet to see whats best.
You could start Round 1 with everyone in the same slowest car and work your top 5 idea from there, but I could see some sand-bagging in Round 1

OK so we need to implement a simple system to decide on first round choices if we all want this idea?

[Mr Fox]

Right after a bit of thought, my previous idea isnt going to work lol

What if we restrict the top5 to say the capri 2600, porsche rs & the 906/914*

As for tackeling sandbagging we can have a greater margin in points from position to position.

* hasnt tested the 914 but im sure it will fit into the slow cars.

We can at least garantee that we will have 90% of the field of 76's in each race. Variety!

[rpo83]

My brain hurts.............. :tape:

[rpo83]

OK, OK.......

I have had an idea :bounce:

How about we each choose 2 cars for the season? Genius, i know :bananapartyhat:

We have to run at least 4 rounds in each car, if you have a DNS, no problems as long as you don't do more than 5 rounds in one car.

[Acerlyte]

You blokes seem to be getting this sorted but I just want to point out that any idea involving driving a different car each round might be a bit much for some. Combined with racing the TCL cars every second week it could be a lot of work to remain competitive with the 76s chopping and changing all the time.

Of course that could just apply to me and my average driving skills :bounce:

[BJSRacer]

what about a bonus points sysyem that was weighted to the slower/lesser cars....... so if you won in the 914 you got X bonus + the 10? for round win. Whereas winning in the "best" car would get 1? bonus point on top of round points............. that may add to the brain hurt tho :) but could make running a different car very competitive in the end ?

[Imperious]

Now my head is starting to hurt! :tape::ohwell:

Maybe just 2 cars for the series is the best option, 1/2 and 1/2
The main reason I said this is to get more cars on the track,we used to
race different cars in GTL all the time, but GTL is a bit easier than Historix.

Hope the ver 2 comes out soon, with the big American Muscle cars.:)

[Wally]

If our goal is variety, as well as close racing, then why don't we implement a handicap-like system where the top runners are restricted to choose from slower cars? I.e. the top 3 get to choose between the slowest 2 cars for the next race (whatever cars we decide they are), pos 4 to 6 get to choose from the slowest 3 cars, and the rest can drive whatever they want. That kind of idea...

A downside is that the leaders would always get stuck in crappy cars and might lose some fun factor.

The upside is that we get variety and closer racing.

edit: that's not so different to Ysu's old money system actually... but without the money.

[yokelhama]

Now my head is starting to hurt! :tape::ohwell

Mine too lol. The simpliest solution is surely drive what you want, when you want. The choose 2 cars option is ok too, as long as it doesn't create too many admin headaches for you keeping track of who's used what & when.

Also thanks for actually letting us discuss this as other leagues I've raced with it was never open for discussion.

[Wally]

Mine too lol. The simpliest solution is surely drive what you want, when you want. The choose 2 cars option is ok too, as long as it doesn't create too many admin headaches for you keeping track of who's used what & when.

Also thanks for actually letting us discuss this as other leagues I've raced with it was never open for discussion.
Yeah, but we have to keep it close, otherwise we're just hotlapping, and that's not always going to be the simplest way...

[Mr Fox]

i figure the cars belong in 3 classes

Group1
Capri 3100
Pantera
BMW CSL

Group2
Escort
Porsche RSR
Corvette Bigblock

Group3
Porsche RS
Porsche 906
Porsche 914
Capri 2600

So if we did go with a car system what about you have to race a car from group1 three times, group2 three times and group3 three times.

[sco_aus]

That sounds fair Glen.

[SpeedFreak]

sounds good to me also

[Imperious]

What about the LM72 Ferrari, that also would be a Group 1 car.

Just to add to the confusion, maybe we just limit certain tracks to certain car
groups.

Example Group 1 Rouen Les Essarts, Spa, Mosport
Group 2 A1 Ring, Vallelunga, Montreal
Group 3 Fuji, Crystal Palace, Brazil

The idea being the fastest tracks, fastest cars

[BJSRacer]

What about the LM72 Ferrari, that also would be a Group 1 car.

Just to add to the confusion, maybe we just limit certain tracks to certain car
groups.

Example Group 1 Rouen Les Essarts, Spa, Mosport
Group 2 A1 Ring, Vallelunga, Montreal
Group 3 Fuji, Crystal Palace, Brazil

The idea being the fastest tracks, fastest cars

hey that sounds good

[rpo83]

I'll leave it to you capable folks..... :tape:

I expect it will all be sorted out for next weekend when i return home :bananapartyhat:

[Mr Fox]

What about the LM72 Ferrari, that also would be a Group 1 car.


Technically the LM72 ferrari is in the Leman car group.

Im pretty easy it sounds like a cool idea, really comes down to if everyone wants it then im happy. So everyone say yah or nah, dont be shy to add your idea either.

[sco_aus]

I prefered Glens first idea.

[BJSRacer]

yah.. i love that car

[gawaterman]

i figure the cars belong in 3 classes

Group1
Capri 3100
Pantera
BMW CSL

Group2
Escort
Porsche RSR
Corvette Bigblock

Group3
Porsche RS
Porsche 906
Porsche 914
Capri 2600

So if we did go with a car system what about you have to race a car from group1 three times, group2 three times and group3 three times.


Sounds like a winner to me, with the Ferrari thrown in too. Would you dictate that say, this weeks is Group 1, next week Group 2 etc, or free choice as to your pick week to week

[Mr Fox]

Sounds like a winner to me, with the Ferrari thrown in too. Would you dictate that say, this weeks is Group 1, next week Group 2 etc, or free choice as to you pick week to week

I was hoping for free choice as we go, then we can have some people that wouldnt normally be on podium to be on podium, Example is if all the faster guys chose to race there slow cars to start with then some of the slower guys might pick the faster cars and then they might get a podium. Thats just a example, may or may not happen but it could happen. Also we would get to see all the cars on track at once. One of the less desirable effects this may have as it might spread the field out a little. Group2 cars may stay with group1 if you had the driver matchups right but i couldnt see the group3's staying with the group1's. Im just a big fan for variety and seeing all the cars and different nosies gets me excited. not like that jeff

[yokelhama]

Im just a big fan for variety and seeing all the cars and different nosies gets me excited.

Me too :thumb: If the racing isn't quite as close as we hope on track it should prove to be close on the championship table tho if people mix their car selections up abit.

[gawaterman]

Maybe as this TCL mod is new to us all, car selection for the 1st series could be free too.
Those who want to run just 1 car can, those who think variety is the spice of life (Me) could run something different every round ?

[Mr Fox]

Maybe as this TCL mod is new to us all, car selection for the 1st series could be free too.
Those who want to run just 1 car can, those who think variety is the spice of life (Me) could run something different every round ?

Sounds good grant, we should just enjoy the mod for a season.

[Paul Keeghan]

So... where can i Sign up for Season4?

And are we able to make custom Skins? (i know, i know, its my favourite question).

[flattop]

Thanks Glen for sorting out the schedule for the HistorX.

Looks like an exciting and variety packed seasons' for the dual groups.